JRE Ep 2428 (Michael Masters) - A wild (and wildly interesting) discussion on the time travel & UFOs/UAPs

This is a wild episode, and I loved it. Joe Rogan's guest Michael P. Masters is a very interesting (and highly intelligent) man with wild and intriguing ideas - the main idea being that the relatively large amount of post-WWI/WWII UFOs/UAPs may be human time travelers (or the descendants of modern humans) coming from the future. He supposes that they may be coming to our time from the future for a variety of reasons, the most plausible of which are genetic/health-related.

Why are these potential time travelers coming back to this time specifically? Maybe because so many things are starting to change now in our world – today's world is drastically different than centuries or millennia ago, so future humans may have a particular interest in learning more about the way things are around our era.

The biggest thing I was confused about is why it would be a simpler explanation to say that UFOs/UAPs are time travelers rather than actual aliens from outside our planet?

My thinking goes like this:

1. What is easier?

• Time travel - Known to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, per the laws of physics. No one we have ever known has traveled through time. This is a fantasy for us today.
• Extremely long space travel - Also, very very hard to do, but it's way more plausible to me. We travel to space now. It's plausible to think that we'll continue traveling through space and that we will be able to travel farther distances etc. Similarly, other beings far away could do the same.

2. What do we do today?

• Time travel - We don't do it today, we have never done it, and we don't have any idea how to actually do it (beyond theoretical concepts). We may have an idea in theory, but not operationally - we don't have any operationalizable idea of how to do this today.
• Space travel - We travel through space today. Not far, but we do it.

3. What seems harder from a broad perspective?

• Time travel - It seems hard af, and time doesn't help (see how time helps w/ insanely-long distance space travel below)
• Space travel - From a broad perspective, it becomes easier. Imagine intergenerational time travel where many generations are born and die on the spacecraft. Doesn't that become way easier? No need to go fast. There are obviously other deeply complex technical challenges with this, but speed becomes less key (which makes it technically easier IMO).

So, I don't understand why we'd assume UFOs/UAPs are time travelers when it's way more plausible that they are actually space travelers from outside of the Solar System. Why would we assume they are doing the incredibly hard thing vs. the easier (but still very hard) thing? That just doesn't make sense to me logically.

Beyond that, this was an amazing episode - the guest was incredible, and Joe Rogan was on point too. This is totally in his wheelhouse. Joe was appropriately skeptical - he takes his responsibility as a host seriously (I know he gets a lot of criticism from some people for not being critical enough on certain things, but I think he's one of the best) with these types of convos IMO, so he doesn't just nerd out compeltley; Joe is able to ask good questions and push back appropriately as needed. He acknowledges how wild the premise Michael Masters is noting is at its core.

This episode touches on a lot more than time travel and aliens, however. As the convo progresses, various other key topics are touched on – these include things like human nature, the current changes to humanity that are occurring, philosophy, some history, and psychedelics. A very worthwhile watch. A very good JRE episode that will make you think, grow, and learn